never one to drag my feet when there's an opportunity to go out in flames, i've already received my first FAIL from match.com :-)
i emailed a guy whose profile seemed ok, and who was kind of nerdy cute, and he replied back with a short email and suggested we talk then meet. so! today we gchatted. it was good at first, the get-to-know-you sort of things... then he asked how recently i've been single.
so i told him i'd just gotten out of a 6-month-ish relationship, and he asked if i still talked to him. i answered yes, because i do. The Boy and i were friends before we ended up dating, so we're seeing if we can go back to friends without any adverse effects.
now.. i know how that sounds to guys. they don't really like the thought of their girl talking to any boys at all, much less an ex. but on the other hand: i've never once cheated. i've never even been tempted to cheat. if i tell you a guy is a platonic friend, you can believe me. and if you refuse to believe me, that's a problem.
match.com guy - we'll call him Mr. Suspicious - told me that he'd have a huge issue with me talking to an ex, period. i was a little surprised and asked him, a little facetiously, if he stopped having any interactions with all females in his life when he's dating someone. and he said yes, and sent me a link on "how to avoid emotional infidelity." when i told him i thought it was possible to avoid emotional infidelity by, say, NOT BEING EMOTIONALLY UNFAITHFUL as opposed to cutting out all members of the opposite sex from your life, he told me i was being naive. oh, and also defensive, because i wasn't "willing to understand" that it's impossible to be fully committed to your partner while still having friends of the opposite sex.
look, it's not like i think spending 3 nights a week watching romantic movies with a bottle of wine with your "platonic male friend" when you're dating someone else is ok. but i also think that meeting someone you've been friends with for years for lunch while you're dating someone else? not a sign of a guaranteed impending affair.
Mr. Suspicious got all hot and bothered that i wouldn't just admit that i was teetering on the brink of infidelity during every relationship i've ever had, and cancelled the date we'd made for thursday. ALAS.
i know that most likely, most guys - and a lot of the girls - who read this are going to agree with mr. suspicious: talking to exes is bad! and dangerous! that may be. for me, though? i DO commit myself fully to relationships, which means that engaging in inappropriate emotional infidelity with friends is not an option, because it literally does not occur to me. if i'm dating you, i'm dating YOU. and i want him to feel the same way - i don't want to have to ban him from talking to women to ensure his fidelity; he should want to be faithful to me because he WANTS to, not because he has removed all temptations from his life.
naive? perhaps. i mean, let's not forget that my ex actually DID leave me for his exgf who he'd been secretly talking to. but i don't care. i'd rather be with someone who can stay with me because they love me than someone who is only with me because none of their exes have called them that week.
Wow, that dude either got burned by someone who went back to an ex, or else he's a former cheater who cheated on his girlfriend with an ex. He sounds waaaay too suspicious.
ReplyDeleteSounds like you've just dodged a bullet in a big way!
ReplyDeleteWow, he's got some issues. I really only keep in touch with one of my exes and he's an amazing friend... I'd never give that up for some new guy. Also, I'm an engineer... most of my friends are male. My best friends. my lab parters, study buddies, etc. And if their girlfriends had an issue with me, that'd be the worst. Obviously they (male classmates) can be friends with me (person of opposite sex) with no issues. Match.com guy needs to chill out.
ReplyDeletewow, controlling much? GOOD JOB not going with that one. That's not a Match.com FAIL ... that's an Alice WIN.
ReplyDeleteHere's the thing, I understand the argument that not having friends of the opposite sex removes the temptation to cheat on your partner. However, just because it makes a relationship EASIER doesn't mean it's BETTER. Also, cheating can be emotional too - does that mean that he stops ALL communication (email, phone calls, etc) with his lady friends when he's dating someone? He sounds creepy and I'm glad that you found out before going on a date and wasting your time.
ReplyDeletegood grief!
ReplyDeleteand is it bad that I all of a sudden wanna give some dating site a try just to see how things would pan out?
it is, isn't it?
Oh Alice, I feel for ya, but I just have to say that this Match.com thing is freaking AWSE already. I WILL STAY TUNED.
ReplyDeleteOh man. What a douche.
Look at this way: you can weed out the crazies and emotional babies faster. This guy needs to chill out and not be so controlling.
ReplyDeleteTalking to an ex is on a case to case bases because people and their relationships differ SO MUCH. Mr. Suspicious need not be so judgmental.
As leafprobably said, you dodge a bullet!
Dude, that guy has ISSUES!
ReplyDeleteOne of my best friends is a guy and I have known him for like 12 years. I am not going stop being friends with him because I am married, he's married too! Oy.
Let me know if the church of the hot bisexual screenname 2hot4uho contacts you! Haha (I am so not kidding)
I think the problem is not his argument that talking to exes is bad (although I disagree, and in fact talking to my exes makes me appreciate my husband so much more, and keeps the reasons I broke up with my exes from getting all fogged with time); I think the real problem is his argument that if you disagree with him it's because you don't understand---and worse, that you're CHOOSING not to understand. What. An. Ass.
ReplyDeleteWhew, dodged a loser in that one.
ReplyDeleteCareful out there, lady.
: )
Guys work differently. They really do. Admitting you see an ex is like saying, "Oh ya, you'll have to compete with someone whom I already have a relationship with, good luck!" But he did sound a little insecure though.
ReplyDeleteKnot
Hey, now you have that night free for someone it might actually work out with!
ReplyDeleteSounds like a good thing to me.
that dude sent you a link?!??! omg, be happy you aren't going on a date with him!
ReplyDeletethe search continues
I think it is hilarious after ONE conversation he is concerned you might emotionally cheat on him.
ReplyDeleteKnot has a good point, but I'd have to say you just weeded out someone who needed weeding out! (Moo called it an Alice WIN) A good prospect would have asked you to explain why you felt like keeping in touch with old boyfriends and given you a chance to explain. He sounded very controlling!!
ReplyDeleteMy dh, whom I have been happily married to for 21 years, did not want me to be sending Christmas cards to single guys (this was about 16 years ago). I respected his wishes, because I wouldn't want him looking up old girlfriends. For us, it's not about control, it's about respect.
How freakaliscious...I'm surprised you spoke to him for that long.
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Whoa whoa whoa...
ReplyDeleteGetting into some pretty heavy stuff with this guy before even meeting him, right??
Eek. I have your back 100%. I'm still friends with my ex and no newbie is going to tell me who I can and can't talk to.
Stick to your guns.
Did he ask you if you like anal sex
ReplyDeleteI dated a guy who was really close with his ex. At a New Years Eve party we were all at when we were dating, she rushed over and kissed him first at midnight. So, in some ways, I see his point. But he sounded over the top for sure.
ReplyDeleteWell, thank goodness you had that chat and didn't actually go on a DATE with him before you discovered that he has some serious Issues. My my.
ReplyDeleteAt the risk of repeating myself. Hahaha, Match dot com! This is awesome drama, I'm staying tuned. Thanks for being the one to go out and do it.
ReplyDeleteWhoa, that's weird. Both Alices on my blogroll wrote FAIL posts on this day!
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I used this same comment for both of you. :)
Giant "Alice"s FAIL
ReplyDeleteHaha just kidding, great minds just think alike!
Seeing your ex should NOT be a problem, that guy has obvious insecurity issues
WTF! Good riddance Mr. Suspicious! I don't like my boyfriend speaking to his most recent ex (because she's a needy weirdo) but that doesn't meant I agree with Mr. Suspicious. You should try to remain friends with ex's, it's a good practice, why cut off a bond with someone?
ReplyDeleteAnd WTF to him anyway, he doesn't even KNOW you! What a jerk.
two words: Control Freak
ReplyDeleteI'm on the same site and if you read my post from Nov. 13th I think you will very comforted knowing you're not alone.
Dating SUCKS!
Oh gosh. Not naive at all.
ReplyDeleteOnline dating scares me, I'm a firm believer on letting things just happen instead of looking for it. That said while I lucked out and waited for my man (well I didn't wait but I wasn't looking), a few people I know met online. And one pair just got married! So you never know :)
At least he was honest enough to express his discomfort now, rather than later. I guess everyone has different styles... and levels of insecurity!
ReplyDeleteOh to exist in a world where infidelity was something about to happen at every turn!
ReplyDeleteWhat a nightmare it must be to be that guy - and I'm so glad you're not going to be his girl!
Wait. All of this transpired over gchat? You kids today... ;-)
ReplyDeleteI read the link he sent, and honestly, I find it very, very frightening, and the writing of a person who was SO emotionally insecure in their relationship, and at the same time SO emotionally needy on that relationship that he prevents himself from creating personal ties with ANYONE other than his spouse. While I understand people having differing viewpoints and that everyone's relationships are personally defined, I have been told many times by various advisors, counselors (even my mother, a trained counselor), that putting all your emotional eggs in one basket that way is dangerous. You limit your personal growth because you never expose your thoughts to the feedback of other people. You burden one person with all of your thoughts and fears, and expect them to do the same to you. You have no recourse when you need to vent about your relationship. Not only is that site deeply frightening to me, but Mr. Suspicious's sending it to you right away? Because you talk with your ex? (Also, that he asked you right away about your exes?) Oog.
ReplyDeleteFrom my experiences on match, I felt *some* guys were in it to find an argument. Seriously, why the chip buddy?
ReplyDeleteIn my view, there has to be TRUST for any relationship to work. And if you can't trust someone to go out to lunch with a friend, regardless of how you define that friend, then it's a slippery slope to nowhere good.
Finally, I found that in my 20's, I had a lot of male friends (a few of them ex's). And all was just peachy in my world. But, as I moved into my 30's, I found my girlfriends were where my real friendships were and now I have very few guy friends (who aren't husbands or boyfriends of my girlfriends).
Sounds like a narrow escape for you.
ReplyDeleteThe whole ex thing is iffy - but it comes down to the individual. If the person is basically honest then it's easy to trust them. That said, to blow off the date based on this one interaction seems to be a huge overreaction.
at least you had this conversation before anything started... because that would have seriously been a huge waste of time.
ReplyDeletefor the record, i email with most of my exes. david just doesn't want to hear about it. so i am with you.
good lord! 33 comments?!! who are these people?! you are POPULAR!
ReplyDeleteEveryone already said everything I wanted to about that LO-SER, but I'll also add that clearly he's only interested in finding a woman who will agree with him on absolutely everything and even if she doesn't, PRETEND she does to please him.
ReplyDeleteAlso, men who are abusive often cut their victim off from their friends and family so that the woman only relies on THEM and no one else can tell her he's an ass. So maybe that's another bullet you dodged!
Have to say that us guys are way more threatened than we like to let on. But don't tell anyone that I told you this or else they might kick me out of the Guys' Club.
ReplyDeleteI think that guy could use an article on How Not To Get Emotionally Involved in Someone Elses Life...good one to lose...
ReplyDeleteOy. You know what I think? Discussions like this should be avoided during the first conversation. Period. I can't believe the dude even brought that up. Next time, switch the topic, at least until you two know each other better.
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